Again... The Mormons

Ok, so, my dad told me a few weeks ago that if I slandered the mormon's names again, he'd throw me out of the house. Because they are good people.

I know they're good people, but their still just people. I've met mormons that smoke weed, and one mormon brother asked me if I would give him a rim job, I won't elaborate on that one. Point is, the niceness of mormons is all just an image. They preech about their image in sacrament meeting, gospel principles class, relief society, and then when they talk about other people, they make sure you know how wicked they are by explaining what they dress like and how much tattoos they have, etc.

One mormon once told me that he had two brothers that left the church, and they're skin is much darker than his. Mormon's theory about black people, the curse of Cain thing... Anyway, he continued that both of them are homeless, and they look terrible, and they have darker skin. Mormons have to look good, wear nice clothes, have nice hair, etc. to show how good mormons they are. So, also, the darker your skin is, the less mormon you are. Even the fact that black people are allowed into the mormon church doesn't make a difference. People bare their testimonies saying that black people become lighter after they join the church, so this guy's brothers had the opposite effect after leaving the church. Never mind the fact that the guy's brothers were homeless, standing in the sun, was probably covered in dirt and fungi, and they looked bad because THEY WERE HOMELESS!

Simple things don't make any sense to the Mormons.

After I came back home from the USA, one of my former "brothers" sent me a mail, here's the whole conversation, I changed our names, just for incase...

Mormon:

Hey, how have you been? I heard you didn't believe the church anymore, and was just wondering what happened? I guess I was confused since you'd gotten a witness from the spirit that it was true. Anyway, regardless of that, what have you been up to lately? Did you go back to Africa? I'd love to hear what's going on. Ciao!

Me:

Hi!

I'm back in South Africa. Well I can't believe in the BoM because it contradicts the Bible in too many ways, and the revalations made by the prophets are rediculous.

I don't go to any spicific church anymore, I believe what is said in the Bible, and that is it. No church is going to save me, and no ordinance can give me eternal life.

If I had known that Mormons were preaching Eternal Progression and Exhaltation, I would've laughed the missionaries off. There is one God and one God alone, and never ever will man become a god or an angel.

I am saved by grace, God's eternal mercy. No one on earth desirves what he gives us, and when you believe that you are saved by works, it means that you don't believe in God.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

You have been brought up in the Mormon church, and that is all you know. And I can not tell you exactly how I feel, because you won't understand. I can also not tell you what the Bible says, because the Book of Mormon has replaced the Bible in your religion.

Please don't think that I don't like you or any of the people I met, I just don't like the church. It is not God.


Mormon:

Well, I'm glad to hear you're doing well, and am sorry to hear the missionaries didn't explain things well enough to you. Just real quick though, wouldn't eternal progression be a beautiful thing if it were true? That we aren't just here to live and then die, but that through following the commandments God gives us(works), and because Christ died for us(grace), we can return to live with him. By following the Plan of Salvation we can understand what happened before this life, how to be truly happy now, and what we must do to return to live with God.

As for being brought up in the Mormon church, that's true, but I didn't always believe it. It wasn't until I was 16 that I really decided I wanted to know for sure if it was the truth or a lie, and read and prayed about that Book of Mormon. I prayed sincerely like it says, really wanting an answer, and I got one. I felt the greatest love and peace and knew in that moment that there was no way someone with a 3rd grade education could have fabricated the Book of Mormon, and that everything it says is true. I know I received an answer, and even though I sometimes have doubts about other things, it all comes back to that fact: I received an answer, the Book of Mormon is true, and Joseph Smith was a prophet. Far from competing with the Bible, the Book of Mormon is there to supplement it. That's why it's another testament of Jesus Christ. I have found many examples of how they uplift and support one another. Anyway, I'm glad things are going well for you, and glad we can still be friends. Have a great day!


Me:

Hi

My big problem is that Gospel Principles tells us that we can become gods. The Bible clearly states that there is only one God, the alpha and omega, beginning and end, and that there is no god besides God.

I felt "a" spirit too, but I cencerely believe that it was not the Holy Spirit from God.

As for the Book of Mormon being true, you may believe that, I do not. I can not believe that Lehi and his family saw elephants and horses when they arrived in America (North or South). Most LDS believe that they landed in South America. There was no elephants or horses in South America, horses came to SA when the Spanish arrived. There were horses in NA, but still no elephants. The coinage system they talk about and the clothing, like fine silks and metal armor, with metal swords... That also doesn't make sense. If you go and look at what Northern and Southern Americans had as clothing, weapons, and what they used as trade, the Book of Mormon is fiction.

Then, in the Book of Jacob, there is a french word: adieu... I don't believe that Jacob spoke french.

As for Joseph Smith being a prophet, he made prophecies, some did not come true. One was that the end of the world would be in 1891, another one was that there would be a temple in Missouri within Smith's Generation.

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him," (Deut. 18:20-22).

I am not trying to convince you, just telling you why I don't believe.


Mormon:

You've been reading anti-mormon literature. Pieces of information taken and twisted to deceive. There are prophecies in the bible that didn't come to pass either, because of the wickedness or disbelief of the people, and prophets made mistakes too. Even prophets are still men. Archeologists have found horse fossils in tar pits, elephants are never mentioned in the Book of Mormon, all of these things are what every anti-mormon publication will tell you about. If it's really about French or horses to make the Book of Mormon and Christ's church true or not... does that really seem right? Like you, I'm not trying to convince you, but I would encourage you to try looking at all the things that did come to pass that Joseph Smith said, and that the Book of Mormon and modern prophets and apostles have said, but more than that, the only way to know is get your own answer from God, which 12 million people have done. For me, it's easy to let those things go, because I got my answer, and I know that I wasn't deceived. No false spirit could give me the wonderful feelings I felt when I prayed, nor the guidance that has helped me both on a mission and throughout my life. "By their fruits ye shall know them". I look at the church which bears Christ's name, and all I see is good things. The people aren't perfect, but the gospel is.

Mormon:

Elephants are mentioned in Ether, my bad. :)


Me:

Coins, fine silks, and armor are mentioned all over. It doesn't match the place (America).

They used rock, bone, and wood to make weapons, they didn't wear metal armor, and with clothing... Animal skin, not silks.

As for the rest, we have always been warned not to add or subtract from the Bible.

Here are a few of the examples in the Bible:

Deuteronomy 4:2

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

And here is a part in the Bible that I remember from primary in church, I completely forgot about it, but it made me see the light of God again. I lost it, I lost my faith for a while. Book of mormon was written by Joseph Smith. He saw visions of Christ and God, angels, and dead apostles. The Bible has a clear warning of this:

Galatians 1:6-12

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

This makes sense, because the gospel preached to JS and the Jewish Americans, and all the other LDS prophets, were not given to the desciples. Nor did Jesus talk about any of the things that the LDS church teaches, for example, the temples, and the ordinances, word of wisdom, and then Jesus didn't speak of the things that are written in D&C, like polygamist marriages, or that God is flesh and bone, etc etc.

There are many verses that make me believe that the BIBLE is the only doctrine. As for the spirit that I felt, the Bible gave me answers. Because I was confused by this.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Timothy 4:1

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:13-14

So, again, I'm not trying to convince you, just my side of the story. Those scriptures from the Bible made me realise that I should not believe in "extra" doctrine, or visions from angels, etc, nor should I trust spirits.




That was the last I heard from him, never again... Last message he sent was on 24th of January, its been almost two weeks, so, I don't think he's going to bother me again, or try to get me to believe their BS. The people over here on the other hand... I don't think they'll give up that easily.

The above conversation was mailed to the bishop that I told I'm an anti-mormon, he asked why? I sent that conversation. That was last night, haven't heard anything from him either. Seems that if you use the Bible to dissaprove the Book of Mormon, they back off. Because they're supposed to be christians, yet they don't believe in the Bible.

Anywoo, more from me later, I'm going to spend some father daughter time now. My daddy is doing construction in my little house, it gets better and better!